UPDATE!! 5-5-2024 3:00 pm
Believe it or not a response to this story came from someone representing the NWA. This came on the heels of the NWA announcing that the World Wrestling Council in Puerto Rico is going to be the newest "territory' for the NWA. For those who may not remember it was in the WWC in Puerto Rico where Bruiser Brody was murdered by a wrestler working for the WWC named Invader 1. Invader 1 also was never convicted of the murder and the WWC continued to employ him after he murdered Brody.
Yet this, is the company the NWA is celebrating about having a partnership with.
I bring this up because in this update you'll see how this very topic comes into play. Instead of me making a new page/article on this response, just scroll past this original story that started it all and you'll see what will have to be considered, the 'official' response (I guess) by an official of the National Wrestling Alliance, Bryan Idol.
I have to admit I didn't see this right off the bat, and it took somebody sending me something for me see what's painfully Obvious about this new or current "territory" system that Billy Corgan has formed with his National Wrestling Alliance promotion. Once I saw this I waited, and after seeing Kenzie Page's Krossfire Pro Wrestling promotion getting named as the latest NWA 'territory', I thought for sure that the Meltzer's, the PWInsider's, SOME wrestling news site would bring up what I'm about to bring up.
BBUUTTT NOPE. no way, not one wrestling writer or journalist has had the guts to speak on this certain thing that's so blatantly obvious about this territory ahem, 'system' that's been created. So since nobody else seems to have the balls to speak up on it, it's once again left to the ONLY, wrestling writer that has the balls to speak on things the others are too afraid for some reason to touch. So since they, have the sudden case of lack of guts again, I'll do what the others are too scared to do because as usual I'm the only one who doesn't need to kiss up to promoters for interviews and stories. WP&P gets their own stories which is what sets us apart from all the other sites... So here we go.
Let's list the names of the promotions involved with this new territory system, shall we? First we have Krossfire Pro Wrestling, owned by current NWA Women's champion Kenzie Page.
Then we have Exodus Pro Wrestling, owned by current NWA World champion EC3.
Let's not forget Joe Cazana Promotions which is now NWA Southeastern, owned by Joe Cazana, a man who also works and has his sons working for Billy Corgan's NWA.
And of course there's NWA Chicago now as well, which is run by Bryan Idol who works for Billy Corgan's NWA as well as owns Fight The World Wrestling (which also has become, interestingly enough, an "NWA Territory" as well
Apparently the only way one can become a quote, unquote 'territory' for Billy Corgan's NWA is if you just happen to be working, for Billy Corgan's NWA.
Doesn't THAT make you go, HHHMMMMM.
What it does is raise up a few red flags and brings, least for me some very obvious questions. Questions I'm sure if I asked Corgan directly, he'd probably side step every single one of them.
Why is it that the ONLY er, 'promoters' of these "NWA Territories" happen to be employees of yours that are already on your payroll? isn't it a 'weird coincidence' that these' promoters' sudden have little indy promotions going so they can just happen to 'become', NWA Territories? It's not that Corgan or EC3 or Kenzie Page has been secretive about it, Corgan openly touted that these 'affiliates' are owned by his current wrestlers. Had he kept his mouth shut about that fact the obvious kink in this 'system' wouldn't have been so easily exposed.
Why is Corgan afraid to work with more legitimate wrestling promoters to help form this system? Why is it, it just HAS to be employees of his own promotion that can become NWA Affiliate? Is it a prerequisite that the 'promoters' on Corgan's payroll go with Corgan's vision of the NWA? What is Corgan so afraid of that he won't work with promoters that are outside his little NWA bubble?
It does seem just A LITTLE FISHY that only talent in his company can be considered as NWA territory owners, and nobody who ISN'T working for Corgan can.
See, these are the questions that easily and obviously come up from someone like me, who HAS worked behind the scenes for indy promotions before, so as someone who has knowledge about this kind of stuff. So I ask, knowing and seeing what's obvious here. Billy Corgan doesn't really WANT to work with promoters unless they just happen to be already on his payroll.
Says a whole lot about the legitimacy of this territory 'system', doesn't it.
Here's some more questions that come to mind as I'm writing this. What happens of any of promotions fail to draw money, aren't profitable and wind up closing down? Then what? Is Corgan helping or going to help fund these affiliates so that way they stay afloat and continue to be part of this territory system? What happens if the 'owners' of these promotions sign a better deal and leave Corgan's NWA to work with another company such as Impact or AEW? Does that mean the 'company' they own can longer be an NWA Territory?
a WHOLE LOT of interesting questions here, how much you wanna bet we won't get a WHOLE LOT of answers to these questions?
Update 5-5-2024 3:00 pm
Here's the quote from William Patrick Corgan heralding this 'new' partnership he and his NWA now have with the World Wrestling Council in Puerto Rico. This is from the NWA's Twitter page.
Of course getting an actual tv deal and not being stuck on some tv station's 'app' could elevate yourself to 'august heights' and more, just sayin.
Here's the convo I had with Bryan Idol, owner of "NWA Fight The World Wrestling" and promoter for "NWA Chicago".
And here's where the topic of Brody comes in as he did answer two of the questions I raised in the article.
Oh yeah, let me add this little thing here as well. He tried to lie and claim he's a 'national promoter".
As you see in my rely, he can't be a 'national promoter' because in NH and Main the commissions there require a person who wants to be a promoter there to be a resident of the state. I should know since I worked for three different indie groups that ran NH. Now the NWA can get a guy who lives in Maine or NH to be the 'local' promoter, in which that guy who's a resident in that state has to sign the license for the show. Or in what's called a 'permit' town, the city will require the local promoter to sign the city permit, thus putting the show in HIS name.
I also know this for a fact I actually had to do it, for two shows of WWA New England in Rochester, NH, the shows had to be in my name. WWA NE show in Farmington, NH and Eastern Wrestling Alliance show in Hanover, NH (Dartmouth College) I was the local promoter for them as well. All state licenses for the shows I had to sign.
Nice try Idol. No sale, Facts trump your egotistical claim/lie.
You shouldn't fuck with a guy who has knowledge.
21 comments:
That is kind of bogus the way Billy set it up.
Hey didn't Corgan get rid of NWA territories when he first purchased the company? I seem to remember reading where he wouldn't renew the licenses for those promoters who ran under the NWA Banner. He did do that, right?
He sure did Keith, He got rid of the territory system that was already in place when he bought the company. Now, he wants the system back, A fun amusing irony if I say so myself.
I agree with Joe's comment, Billy's territory system looks like a sham. Something's not adding up about this. Nice article WP&P, especially the way you laid it out and asked questions. I hopoe Billy answers them but I have a feelin g you're right and he won't.
You get any blowback from this story? Anyone from the NWA or Exodus or the other companies fire back on you because you wrote this?
Nope, not one word, from ANYBODY, in the NWA or the companies under this BS system Corgan has concocted, has said anything to me about this story. What can they say? It's the truth.
You have a point. There's no real argument for them to give, really. You caught them and it looks shady as fuck to me, not a legitimate' system if you ask me. All of Corgan's friends are suddenly going to play wrestling promoter?
I don't know if you heard but they added WWC in Puerto Rico as their latest territory. The same WWC that allowed one of their wrestlers to murder Bruiser Brody.
WTF is Billy Corgan thinking? WWC and the Colon family didn't do anything when Invader stabbed Brody. This is who Billy wants to work with? This smacks of desperation and the way this system is set up with Talent already in the NWA serving as territory promoters isn't going to be a game changer for the NWA.
Partnering up with the company that didn't condemn the killing of bruiser Brody by once of their own wrestlers really reeks, just reeks. Is this the best the NWA can do? Or maybe this is the best they can do since Corgan screwed over all the other promoters when he got rid of the territories when he first bought the company. he fact that nobody from the NWA even tried to comment on this sure seems to show they have something to hide. They're stuck airing on a station's app and not the action station. So all the territories won't matter since they can't even get a better tv deal than being on some app.
OUCH on all the recent comments, though I did borrow the Brody analogy when I said something to someone because, WAIT! There's more! More will be revealed in an update on this story shortly. I just hope that what I reveal isn't the 'official' stance by everybody in the NWA including Corgan. But, we shall see.
Bryan's toeing the company line, he's the one who helped put together the NWA/WWC partnership this would be an obvious answer. give him more scrutiny and I bet he cracks under questioning.
He should've never responded to you, he made himself look worse and the fact he's trying to hype up the WWC thing as a great thing just made the company look bad. If I was Billy I wouldn't be using Idol as an official spokesperson for anything. He didn't come trying to defend what you wrote. Maybe an EC3 or Billy Corgan himself would've been better representation.
Idol claims to be a national promoter but then gets fact checked by you. Bryan Idol is just doing all sorts of wonders for the NWA. William Patrick Corgan must be proud.
You know why no other site has said anything about this NWA/WWC thing? Because everybody knows and remembers what WWC is all about, the Brody murder. So no site wants to be the one that comes and tries to put over this agreement. Besides an NWA/WWC partnership means nothing in the states. Of all the promotions in the world they're going to partner up with the company that's been known for a murder for decades. Whoever thought that was a smart business move obviously flunked business school.
Idol almost had a good argument, but then he started trying to put over WWC as a great company. That's where everything he tried to defend came crashing down. He almost had it, almost.
Millions disagree? Where Idol? In Puerto Rico possibly but there's millions in America and Japan that remember Brody fondly and would disagree with you. The only reason you're trying to spin it is because you got a payday for making the deal. In your world small as it is you think this was a great move. The fact no wrestling site has even acknowledged your deal with WWC says the obvious that millions disagree and see this as a horrible choice. I bet if you call idol out and tell him to show you these millions he's talking about he'll have nothing for you but more spin that doesn't add up.
Bryan Idol says "I'm a national promoter" and WP&P says "No you're not" and lays it out how he isn't. Shuts idol right down. This whole territory system is proving to be a clown show. This is what the NWA has become.
This was seriously not the way to properly set up any kind of territory system. And this certainly wasn't the proper way of trying to defend the way they set up this system. Add trying to put over WWC knowing the history that comes with that promotion this is a complete blueprint of what the definition of wrong is.
William Patrick Corgan's NWA looks like the complete shits thanks to this. There was no real credible defense to what the author of this article laid out. If the author wanted to make the NWA look bad, the NWA stepped up and did its job to achieve that. There's nothing worse than going out of your way to make yourself look bad when you think you're making yourself look good. The NWA and Bryan Idol failed in every way possible here.
PWInsider did a big report on the NWA today, but no mention of them making WWC an NWA territory. Like I said in my last comment no site wants to come out and announce that piece of business because of the reputation WWC has. They mentioned everything but that part, very noticeable that they skipped it.
There's nothing more I need to add, I put it out there and we see how it's unfolded. The fact that nobody else even tried to cover this shows that this site does what others won't. Nobody else wanted to jump jump on it so it's here. The most popular story on this site is this story because no other site was brave enough to tackle it.
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